Earnings call transcript: Ontex Q1 2025 shows resilience amid challenges

Ontex Group reported its first-quarter earnings for 2025, revealing a decline in revenue and EBITDA compared to the previous year. The company recorded a revenue of €451 million, down by €10 million from last year, and an adjusted EBITDA of €51 million, a decrease of €2 million. Despite these declines, the EBITDA margin remained robust at over 11%. The company's stock reacted negatively, with a drop of 11.74% following the earnings release, reflecting investor concerns over the financial results and market conditions. According to InvestingPro data supports this outlook, indicating that net income is expected to grow this year, with analysts forecasting EPS of €1.33 for 2025. The company's beta of 0.58 suggests lower volatility compared to the broader market, potentially offering defensive characteristics in uncertain times.

Executive Commentary

Gustavo Calvopas, CEO of Ontex, noted, "While market conditions were soft in quarter one, we have a strong game plan under execution for the year." He emphasized the company's resilience amid challenging conditions, stating, "Our results in the first quarter show good resilience in a more challenging environment."

Risks and Challenges

• Soft consumer demand in Europe and North America could impact future sales.
• High leverage ratio poses potential financial risk.
• Market saturation in baby care products may limit growth.
• Economic conditions and potential tariff changes are ongoing concerns.
• Competition from A-brands requires continuous innovation.

Q&A

During the Q&A session, analysts inquired about customer account retention, to which Ontex confirmed no losses. The sensitivity of the baby care market was also discussed, highlighting the challenges faced in this segment. Additionally, the company addressed concerns about potential US tariffs, expressing confidence in their mitigation strategies.

Full transcript - Ontex Group (ONTEX) Q1 2025:

Jeff Raskin, Investor Relations, Ontex: Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining us today and standing by while we were solving some technical issues. I'm Jeff Raskin from Investor Relations. I'm pleased to have with us Gustavo Calvopas, our CEO and Giuseppeitus, our CFO, to present the first quarter results. Before that, let me remind you of the safe harbor regarding forward looking statements. I will not read them out loud, but I will assume you will have duly noted them.

With that cleared up, Gustavo, over to you.

Gustavo Calvopas, CEO, Ontex: Thanks, Joffe. While tense geopolitics led to a more challenging and uncertain economic environment, Ontex showed resilience against these headwinds in the quarter. Thanks to the structural changes made in the last couple of years and despite temporary drops in demand, we are confident and confirm our full year guidance. In quarter one, revenue was a solid €451,000,000 Our continued positive contract gainloss balance partially offset the expected price decrease carryover and the drop in market demand, resulting in a net €10,000,000 decrease versus last year. Adjusted EBITDA was €51,000,000 2 million euros lower, reflecting the volume decrease and ForEx, while our cost transformation program fully offset the sales price construction and higher cost.

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The margin thereby remained solidly above 11%. Let's go back to the market dynamics on the next slide. The geopolitical tense climate led to forex volatility as well as recession and inflation fears, in particular, The US and reciprocal tariff threat for which we took mitigation actions. The higher resulting costs are partially visible in our Q1 results as Geert will discuss later. Importantly, Ontex imports into The US from its Mexican plant are manufactured under the tariff exception provided by the USMCA, thereby minimizing the direct impact from US tariffs, which is very good news.

However, these tensions also led to a drop in consumer demand. In Europe, overall consumer demand dropped by low single digit, especially in baby care, where demand did fell by high single digit. Other care continued to grow by mid single digit in the retail and was stable in the health care channel. In North America, it is overall a bit the same picture, though less pronounced, with demand down by low single digit in Baby Care. While these circumstances affected our quarter one results, we continue making a strong progress on our strategic journey, as summarized on the next slide.

First, on the structural side, we made further progress on the portfolio refocusing with the announcement of the deal to sell our Turkish business in January and the closing of the Brazilian divestment at the end of quarter one. Both are expected to bring in around €115,000,000 this year. These proceeds allow us to issue a new bond for a lesser amount than before, and we extended our debt maturity by five years. Our now strengthened and more durable balance sheet is appreciated by the rating agencies, leading to an upgrade by Moody's in the quarter by two b one. These measures further enable us to fuel our three value creation drivers, where also further progress was made in the quarter.

We strengthened our competitive and sustainable innovation with a new feminine care lab in our Spanish plant, and we launched the DreamShield innovation for diapers across Europe. Our best in class initiatives continue to deliver with the initial contribution from the Belgian footprint transformation, allowing us to improve our operating efficiencies yet again with 4% year on year. These initiatives allow us to expand our business. And while the market is currently not favorable, our double digit volume growth in North America continues. In Europe, we continue to improve our product mix, and our gain and loss balance remains positive.

With that, I leave you to Girt for the financial details.

Geert/Girt, CFO, Ontex: Thank you, Gustavo. So we are now on Slide six with the revenue bridge for Q1 versus last year, showing a like for like decrease of 2.8%. The largest part, 1.6%, is linked to pricing. Prices came down in all categories, which was expected. While our prices remained largely stable since mid last year, they did come down in the first half of last year, reflecting investments in competitiveness and the decrease in raw material prices in the periods before.

Volumes, including mix, came down 1.3%, reflecting the market evolution which Gustavo covered across categories. In Europe, our adult care sales were up, boosted by solid demand from as well the retail as the healthcare channel. This development continues to strengthen the weight of adult care as our largest category in our portfolio. In feminine care, sales volumes were lower with a weaker market demand and some temporary supply issues, which have been solved meanwhile. In baby care, volumes dropped with overall demand, but with an improving product mix.

And finally, in North America, although the market was softer, we continued to generate double digit volume growth in baby, building on our growth momentum with contracts gained last year. And in the second half of this year, we expect new contracts to kick in as well. Let's move to the next slide on EBITDA bridge. On this bridge, you can see that the slight decrease in adjusted EBITDA can be entirely explained by the lower volumes, which had a EUR2 million impact. Our cost transformation program delivered yet again and offset our previously explained sales price decrease as well as the increase of raw material prices and other operating costs.

We delivered 4% operating efficiency gains, in line with the delivery in the last two years, with on top of the continuous improvement initiatives, our Belgium footprint transformation starting to bear fruit after the closure of the ECLO plant. Raw material prices were up by EUR 3,000,000, reflecting an increase in the indische zippo fluff as well as slightly higher prices for superabsorbent polymers and packaging. The operating SG and A costs went up with salary inflation, but also with additional costs to support the expansion in North America as well as some measures taken to mitigate the impact of The U. S. Tariff threats.

The combined effect led to a slight contraction of our operating margin, which remained solidly above 11%, however. And as Gustave explained, we're pleased to report that our plant in Mexico is USMCA compliant, and so we have no impact from tariffs there based on the current information. Let's now cover the net debt and leverage ratio on the next slide. On Slide eight, you can see the evolution of our last twelve months adjusted EBITDA, that's the light blue line, then net debt, the dark blue line, and at the bottom, in green, the leverage ratio. Our net debt rose to €656,000,000 at the March.

This was mainly due to higher inventories linked to the actions we took to mitigate The U. S. Tariff threat. Moreover, also our factoring was done. We've continued to invest in Ontex transformation with, besides a higher CapEx intensity, the payout of restructuring charges related to the Belgian footprint transformation.

We also had a cash out of EUR 10,000,000 in the quarter for the share buyback program. This program was launched in December 24 and is meanwhile finalized with EUR 1,500,000.0 shares bought back. The leverage ratio thereby temporarily rose above 2.5x, but remaining well within our operating bracket of maximum 3x. Early April, as you know, we finalized the divestment of Brazil. Based on the proceeds received and adjusted for the EBITDA, net debt drops back to 2.5x pro form a.

All that allowed us to reshape our debt structure, as you can see on the next slide. Our main credit facilities, and as you know, that's the revolving credits and the high yield bonds, which were maturing respectively N25 and N26, have been now refinanced for the coming five years. Thanks to the received and expected divestment proceeds as well as improving free cash flow, we've reduced gross debt by decreasing the high yield bond from EUR $580,000,000 to 400,000,000. Moreover, our improved credit profile was also recognized by Moody's upgrade to B1 recently and the Senate and Poor's upgrade to B plus already end of last year. As a consequence, the credit spread of the higher bond came down from four zero seven to two eighty four basis points.

Despite the higher interest environment, the lower debt quantum and this lower credit spreads allow us to keep the high yield bond interest at the same level as before. While we reduced the growth indebtedness, we increased our liquidity flexibility with the RCF limit now at €270,000,000 based on a syndicate of eight relationship banks. We thereby have the financing in place to support our business growth and secure our resilience going forward. With that, I hand you back over to Gustavo for the outlook. Thanks.

While market conditions were soft in quarter one, and probably these conditions will prevail

Gustavo Calvopas, CEO, Ontex: in quarter two, We have a strong game plan under execution for the year. That give us confidence, so I'm pleased to confirm our 2025 outlook. Revenue is expected to grow by 3% to 5% like for like, supported by double digit volume growth in North America with new contracts in H2 kicking in, and this increase in volumes will support the margin growth as we gain scale. Adjusted EBITDA is expected to grow by 4% to 7%, supported by the revenue growth and also further improvement of operational efficiencies, will which will expand margin further. And remember that based on current information, On Tex North America operational operations fall under the USMCA tariff exception.

Free cash flow is anticipated to remain strong while continuing to step up investments in non tech transformation, which is near completion by the end of the year. And we expect our leverage ratio to reduce below 2.5 times by year end. On next page, while our financial results in the first quarter might not show the progress we expect for the year, let me share with you a couple of elements which give me confidence in delivering the outlook. Our results in the first quarter show good resilience in a more challenging environment, and we remain laser focused on our value creation drivers and even more so today, now that portfolio is taking its final shape. We continue to deliver operating efficiencies gains with a small and larger actions to structurally change our operating cost.

You can see part of these results in our EBITDA margin, which remained over 11% this quarter despite the challenging environment. We deliver competitive and sustainable innovation every quarter, which inspire customers to expand their and our business together. And in the second half, some major contracts will kick in, allowing us to grow volumes and become the second biggest retailer brand player in The US. And on top of this, we believe that underlying market demand in Europe and in The US will rebound and even faster for retailer brands, which gain even more attractiveness in current circumstances. With that, Hirt and I are ready to answer your questions.

Jeff Raskin, Investor Relations, Ontex: Before handing over to the operator, I ask you to state your name and firm and limit your questions to two. If time allows, we'll do a second round for additional questions. And if not, feel free to contact IR afterwards. Operator, over to you.

Operator: Thank you. If you like to ask a question or make a contribution on today's call, please press 1 on your telephone keypad. To withdraw your question, please press 2. We will take our first question from Wim Hoste, KBCS. Your line is open.

Please go ahead.

Wim Hoste, Analyst, KB Securities: Yes. Good afternoon. I'm sorry, good morning. Weim Hoste, KB Securities. I would like to ask a question about the market conditions early Q2, please.

Can you maybe elaborate a little bit on the promotional activity you see both in Europe and The U. S? Is that still as intense as it was in Q1? Or do you see some relaxation there? And in terms of, yes, your commercial momentum and production momentum, maybe to put it like that, there was some disruption from, the Spanish flooding, etcetera.

Is that behind you? And will that help you to post a better volume performance in Q2 than in Q1? Can you maybe elaborate also on that? Sure.

Gustavo Calvopas, CEO, Ontex: Thank you. I will take that here. So the the market conditions definitely, is is a soft market demand in quarter one, and we're still seeing that softness today. And I think that it's because the geopolitical situation and the the the they're still there and and they're still in discussions. So that that makes a softer demand in general generally speaking.

Consumers perhaps fearing inflation or recession, and that is the the it's no deception right now. So in Europe, it's one thing. And in US, both countries, both regions, sorry, it has the same type of context. But I wanna I wanna clarify one important thing that our volumes are not affected by any loss of accounts or any loss of customers. We are following more or less the market trends and retail brand, yes, the activity.

You mentioned activity of a brands. There is, of course, some more aggressive activities or more depth in the activities on the promotion of a brands in both Europe and in US, but retail brands in this context will come back stronger. So that's a very good news. And our our gain and loss balance is positive. So and it will remain positive also in the rest of the year.

So we we are confident on the volume growth for the coming quarters. Regarding your Segovia question, I appreciate it because I think it's a it's a very important point. I think that we have those floods, four twenty floods in the Segovia plant. The two days after we we opened the lab there with the authorities, the local authorities. And but in three weeks, although the plant was fully flooded, in three weeks, that team, and with the help of other teams as well, was able to start again the plant and is operating fully all the machines since several weeks ago.

So it was fixed, the the challenge. Thank you very much for asking because it's a big recognition to the local team.

Wim Hoste, Analyst, KB Securities: Okay. Thank you.

Operator: We will take our next question from Karine Gillies, Barclays. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Karine Gillies, Analyst, Barclays: Hi. Thanks for taking my question. I just had one to start with, please. Just wondering what the lower the weaker dollar basically has as an impact on your COGS. Should you benefit from that in terms of margins?

Thank you.

Gustavo Calvopas, CEO, Ontex: It was super quick. The current Would you would you mind to repeat a little bit, please?

Karine Gillies, Analyst, Barclays: So I just wondered whether you can help us understand what the impact of the weaker dollar would be on your COGS. I'm assuming that should benefit you given that obviously the dollar has been weaker. If you can maybe give us some public clarity in terms of how should we think about COGS and margins on the back of that?

Geert/Girt, CFO, Ontex: Thank Now your question is very clear. Yes, first of all, the dollar was going all directions, of course, because it's in the beginning of the year, it was extremely strong. Now it's it's weaker. And you're right. A weaker dollar, if we look to the to the raw material costs because some of the raw material costs are in the US dollar, it will help us at the procurement sites.

At the same, of course also important, it will, of course, the margins and the revenue in U. S. Dollar, there we have a translation risk, which will be lower. So actually, what we say is that we're we're quite neutral to the dollar as a company because if we look to the purchasing and the sales side, it's quite balanced at this moment. But definitely, in procurement, it will help us a lot in the coming months.

Karine Gillies, Analyst, Barclays: Very helpful. Thank you. And thank you for clarifying that you haven't seen any changes in terms of your contract. But have you seen any changes in or your customers' behavior leading to the tariffs, so restocking or stocking ahead or pulling demand forward or pushing it on the other hand? Or has it been just normal course of business?

Thank you.

Gustavo Calvopas, CEO, Ontex: No. It's not normal. No. And, what we see so far is, on the contrary, I would say, positive signs because, in, our customers are looking for something that is very positive, which is innovation. So they want to boost their sales through in in in innovation, through new ideas, and that is something that we have been seeding with our teams for the last couple of years with our customers.

So we do have a, let's say, a bunch of good things to implement in the customers going forward. So we see that's a positive sign from the customers looking after boosting their sales through the retail brands. And that's why we are, we are confident on that.

Karine Gillies, Analyst, Barclays: That's very helpful. Thank you. Good luck.

Gustavo Calvopas, CEO, Ontex: Thank you. Thanks.

Operator: We will take our next question from Charles Eden, UBS. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Charles Eden, Analyst, UBS: Yes, thanks. Good afternoon. Two questions for me, please. So first on the guidance, obviously, you pointed to an expected improvement in the second half of the year, which has allowed you to reiterate the full year guidance despite a soft start to the year. To what extent do you have sort of guarantees or certainties high visibility on these volumes in North America coming through in the second half?

I asked because the share price reaction this morning is clearly telling you the market is incredibly concerned that this will ultimately not materialize and hence you're simply delaying a full year guidance cut, be that to Q2 or Q3. And then my second question is on the tariff exemption, for the manufacturing of North American baby sales. Should this change, could you help us how much of this manufacturing could be moved to your US facility and how quickly you think this could be actioned?

Gustavo Calvopas, CEO, Ontex: Thank you. Mhmm. Okay. Thanks, Charles. On the on the guidance, and and and how you know, the confidence that we have in the volumes coming from US in the second in the second half of the year, we do have contracts and and agreement signed with customers.

And there are two very important retailers, new retailers for us, new and important retailers that we have been working with them, and we are still working with them in terms of exactly the final the the product that is gonna go into their shelf supplied by supplied by us. And I can tell you that, there is no any sign that any of that, it would be at risk. On the contrary, I'm gonna say that, one of those customers, the teams, they flew over from US to here to our lab in baby care, to work with us and to see exactly with their eyes what all the innovation coming for beyond what we are launching now. And and it was a fantastic meeting with them. Very, very positive meeting.

Not just talking about what we are gonna have on the second half, but also beyond that. So very, very good opportunities. So we are extremely confident on that volume. Actually, and I'm gonna link it to your second question about the tariffs and, you know, production in Mexico. We are not in a position to say that, we are fear about changes in the tariffs, because it was very clear, very very clear rule about The US USMCA exemption, and we can fully comply up on that.

But, also, we have been building our teams in anticipation of not not just on anticipation of this volume for the second quarter for the second half, sorry, but also in anticipation on an extreme our maximize our production capacity in US. So that is a little bit of partially the cost that we have faced in the first quarter because at the beginning was due to the mitigation plans on the threat on the tariffs, but, today is already due to the opportunities that we maximize our production in US and and, supplying the customers. So answer to you, no no fears about the volume coming from US in the second quarter at all. On the contrary, we are very, very solid, and that is gonna kick in the second half. And on tariff assumptions, also, we are strong.

We comply with the USMCA, and we are maximizing our production and our plans for the future as well for The US plant.

Charles Eden, Analyst, UBS: Very clear. Thanks, Gustavo.

Gustavo Calvopas, CEO, Ontex: You're welcome, Charles.

Operator: We will take our next question from

Gustavo Calvopas, CEO, Ontex: We don't hear you.

Operator: Yes. We will we will take our next question from Reg Watson ING. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Reg Watson, Analyst, ING: Afternoon all. So Gustava, I'd like to understand a couple of things, please. First, in the release, you had a sales price decrease of €7,000,000 impact on the adjusted EBITDA, but raw material prices were up by 3,000,000 as well. So I'd like to understand the dynamic of why prices to your customers are coming down at a time when you're experiencing raw material price inflation. So that's question one.

And then the second question is related to the softness that you allude to in the quarter, economic dislocation, etcetera. I can understand that having a longer term term impact, but I'm surprised that it's having such a short term impact on both baby care and fem care given that people's purchasing decisions in these areas can't be changed. You can't you can't no longer have the baby. And, obviously, for fem care, it you know, it's a monthly requirement. So I'm at a loss to understand why a product category that should be fairly immune to economic cycles or price elasticity is struggling so much in this climate?

Gustavo Calvopas, CEO, Ontex: Yeah. Thanks for the question. On on the on the sales price, that is year on year. And there's a carryover from from last year. It is not about this year.

Actually, our pricing, in quarter one versus quarter four last year is stable, has not decreased. So the decrease that we are seeing is a competitive position that we took on last year based on the cost of last year. So pricing, we don't see that as a as a as a major surprise. Not not at all. We were expecting is an actually is perhaps is and, you know, is is better than expected.

In the raw materials that you asked the question about the increasing cost, I you know, the the the price the the cost increasing in fluff that we experienced, my majorities in fluff, that's why I'm referring to fluff, is due to indices. And and that increase is something that it can fluctuate quarter on quarter or or perhaps half year versus half year. And all those changes in the raw materials prices at that level should be, and they are absorbed by our cost transformation program. Should not inform too much in terms of pricing that that level of price changes. We are not seeing any major movement on the on the raw material going forward on the prices of raw material cost.

So and we will see our pricing levels. They are not gonna start they are gonna start being more flat during the rest of the year. That is regarding your first question. On the softer demand, interest it's it's a good question because it gives me gives me a good opportunity to explain. Our category, baby care, on the contrary, is very sensitive, in terms of, you know, consumer feelings, consumer fears on inflation, and actually facing inflation in some cases in some countries.

But fears. I give you an example. What I'm saying is sensitive. When you have a baby and perhaps you are changing five diapers per day, and due to that fears or your situation in terms of some inflation, some cost increases in some other categories or in services, whatever, you decide to move from five diapers per day to four diapers per day. That will imply 20% down in the consumption of that family.

So we are not experiencing that 20% down, but that is the average of the sensitivity that I'm talking about. So that it corrects then. It corrects because it will correct once the consumer again accept the new situation, accept the new contact situation. It will correct naturally. That's why we know, and and we know that by facing these type of challenges in the past that the demand will correct, slowly will correct.

On top of that, what we are saying is that the in the case of retail brand, it will create opportunities most likely. And with the combined with the previous question about how retailers are seeing this dynamic on on their own brand on their retail brand is very positive because they are demanding from us new ideas, new innovation, new products to bring in, you know, more excitement on the shelf to deliver, and and to sell more volume in their retail brand. So this, is is a sensitive category. I'm I'm gonna answer your second question.

Reg Watson, Analyst, ING: Yep. Thanks for the explanation, Gustavo. I I I I'm aware of the sort of the the consumer decision to change baby less often. I was under the impression that was much more an emerging market phenomenon where perhaps the cost of the diapers is a larger percentage of the consumer basket, you know, the weekly purchase, let's say. I was less aware that it was an issue in in Western Europe.

But then coming back to this issue then, if the if the consumer is that sensitive, then presumably, you you know, the retailer brands are in a good position to benefit from down trading from the a brand. But, again, occasionally, this is stymied by action taken by the a brand to to prevent that. What are you seeing in terms of campaigns around Europe on that?

Gustavo Calvopas, CEO, Ontex: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're you're you are describing exactly the dynamics that we are seeing. I I I will confirm again one thing that is important.

The the soft volumes that we have experienced in the first quarter and, you know, con you know, through April will con has continued, right, in terms of, the demand. I'm talking about the demand. That is not in in our case, it's not due to that we have lost any customer. On the contrary, we keep we have a positive loss and gains customers' accounts in and we are foreseeing that continuing the year. That is our program.

That is what we see in the contracts. But the the good news is that even though, yes, a brand will react trying to defend their volume or defend their market share, I know that. Right? But also retailers retail brand is asking while they are asking us for ideas and for new things into the shelf is that the decision of retail brand not to be not to lose their position in the retail brand. And and that's very good news.

That's very positive because it comes from the retailers, not just from us. So we are two together here building that retail brand volume growth.

Reg Watson, Analyst, ING: Okay. Understood. Thank you very much,

Gustavo Calvopas, CEO, Ontex: Gustavo. You're welcome.

Operator: As a reminder, if you like to ask a question, We will take our next question from Fernand de Boer, Degroof It's

Fernand de Boer, Analyst, Degroof Petercam: Fernand de Boer from Degroof Petercam. I was disrupted, so maybe it's already asked. But can I come back on the Outlook? Because you have now added that accept of taking into account the exception and same shoot from the Mexican, yeah, trade tariffs. Well, in the previous call, you were very determined, Gustaf, that actually should not be exaggerated, etcetera.

So does this now mean that you're actually saying if we had this trade tariffs, if you were not exempt, then we would have not matched your profit or that you still believe that even if these trade tariffs would come, that you can still make your guidance? What exactly do I have to read in this one? That's the first question. And then the second one, maybe coming back on the previous ones. In Europe, if I listen carefully to Procter and Gamble, they come up with new innovations.

If I also listen to others, then, actually, they do maybe relatively well. So you say, okay. We we are not losing any contracts. So we simply have more volumes at existing customers. But Park and Gamble said we are coming with new innovations.

We are going to put investments behind that, so meaning, perhaps more promotions. So how quickly could you respond to these new innovations of Procter and Gamble?

Gustavo Calvopas, CEO, Ontex: Thank you, Fernand. On the outlook, when we when we talk when we gave the outlook outlook that we are confirming today, our outlook is a range in the top line, three to 5%, and in the bottom line, four to 7%. Yeah. Indeed, our first quarter is not in line with that, outlook. But, also, we at the time of the of in February when we gave the outlook, we said that we were going to go quarter by quarter ramping up because we knew, that in quarter one, we were going to have some, you know, challenges, perhaps not as much as what we had, but we knew because of mitigation plans on the tariffs.

So mitigation plans that we put, and we execute, it cost cost us money. And that range was due to depending on the level of our mitigation plans execution and on the level of the tariffs. That was totally uncertain in that moment. And some of those mitigation plans were executed and caused us in for the first quarter, and also we are gonna carry some cost perhaps initially in the second quarter. But the the but the good news is that those tariffs are not gonna come, because we are in the in in that USMCA agreement and and tariff exception.

And we still our outlook is still in a range. And and how is that we will improve our our margins today from today to that outlook is through the kicking this volume in the second half of the year. And specifically, not just is Europe recovering volume gains, but also is significantly from US. When we have, as I mentioned before, two customers, two important retailers, new for us, new volume, and that will give us scale in our business, significant scale, scale that we are preparing for that production. So quarter one, partially in quarter two, that we are building that capacity already in the plant, but that capacity cost money.

Then once we start invoicing that volume in the second half of the year, that brings a scale, and the change that we will see in our margins is gonna be significantly coming from US. And that is a big source, not just in revenue growth, but also in our margins. In terms of the innovation, the second question that you asked, Fernand, P and G innovation, yeah, we also hear another competitor talking about another innovation. The innovation coming from baby diapers or in all of our categories is constant. Our innovation investment behind and and and sustainable innovation, we have clear mandate to be a faster, a faster matching that type of performance, than innovation from the a brands.

Customers, know that. They know that, and they rely on that. So our teams in r and d, also, they can see they're coming in innovation through the IP filing and through analysis of the not just the launch, but the IP filing. So anticipate those innovation, and that's why we are able to be faster at going into the market with competitive products. I'm I'm fairly confident on the type of innovation we are bringing.

And I'm telling you, customers, they are, you know, totally aware about the innovation that will come from a brands. They don't share that with us, but they know. Then they have our we have our meetings with them. And when they see our innovation coming, they they are very, very pleased and and confident about the innovation that we are bringing. So meaning that they are comparing their minds one with another.

So we feel confident on that. We have a very strong innovation pipeline. Believe me.

Fernand de Boer, Analyst, Degroof Petercam: Maybe one follow-up. If US comes into production, then we can also assume that the working capital outflow is going to be first. And could you quantify the factoring impact on the working capital in Q1?

Geert/Girt, CFO, Ontex: Yeah. Thanks also for that question, Ferdinand. So you have seen that our net debt was increasing. A big part of it is related to the working capital with, in fact, two big impacts. First of all, the factoring, as you said.

Factoring, we're down, I think, about 6,000,000 to €7,000,000 in that range, and it's fully related to revenues. If your revenue comes down, of course, your factoring comes down. So that's on one end. On the other hand, we had inventories, which is very much related to the mitigation on the tariffs. Of course, we made all the production we wanted to we maximized the production in Tijuana, put it in The U.

S, which brought, of course, some warehouse costs. And currently, we are working based on what we know now on tariffs. We're bringing down the inventories, so this will be improving again. And what I thought on guidance and on the yes, the strong free cash flow that we confirmed as a guidance, we believe indeed that our working capital throughout the year, first of all, the temporary increase of the Q1 will decrease again in Q2, and we see improvement in the second half of the year. That's related, of course, to inefficiencies we still have on the transformation of the Buchenwald plant, on the installation of a lot of CapEx we are doing.

By the end of the year, we see quite some improvements. So working capital should be better at the end of the year, supporting the strong free cash flow. Does it answer your Yes.

Wim Hoste, Analyst, KB Securities: Thank

Fernand de Boer, Analyst, Degroof Petercam: you very There

Operator: are no further questions on the line. So I will now hand you back to your host for closing remarks.

Gustavo Calvopas, CEO, Ontex: Alright. To conclude, I would like to emphasize that at Ontex, we are resilient team. While we may encounter occasional challenging quarters, these are temporary fluctuations, not indicative of long term trends. We remain committed to executing our strategic transformation road map, which is fundamentally enhancing our competitiveness. Our focus is in achieving sustained success over the long term.

Thank you very much. Thank you.

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