Earnings call transcript: Biostem Tech misses Q1 2025 earnings forecast

Biostem Technologies Inc. (BSEM) reported its Q1 2025 financial results, revealing an earnings per share (EPS) of $0.27, falling short of the anticipated $0.51. The company also reported revenue of $72.5 million, missing the forecasted $82.5 million. Despite these misses, the stock price saw a modest increase of 0.55%, closing at $15.1125. According to InvestingPro subscribers, along with detailed metrics and expert analysis for over 1,400 US stocks.

Executive Commentary

CEO Jason Monteszewski stated, "BioSim delivered the strongest first-quarter revenue in our company's history," emphasizing the company's growth trajectory. CFO Mike Fortunato highlighted the company's strong financial position and deepening partnership with Venture Medical as key factors positioning Biostem well for future growth.

Risks and Challenges

• Market uncertainty due to LCD implementation in the chronic wound care sector.
• Potential operational challenges impacting revenue and earnings forecasts.
• Lack of specific guidance may leave investors uncertain about future performance.
• Competitive pressures in the healthcare technology sector.

Q&A

During the earnings call, analysts inquired about the impact of LCD uncertainty on Q1 performance and the progress of clinical trials. Biostem Technologies addressed these concerns by noting that the DFU trial enrollment is nearly complete and the VLU trial enrollment has been initiated. The company is also seeking Medicare coverage through clinical data and is undergoing SEC review for Form 10 registration.

Full transcript - Biostem Technologies Inc (BSEM) Q1 2025:

Call Operator: you.

I would now like to turn the call over to Adam Holdsworth, Director of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Adam Holdsworth, Director of Investor Relations, BioSim Technologies: Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining our conference call to discuss BioSim Technologies' first quarter twenty twenty five financial results and corporate highlights. Leading the call today will be Jason Monteszewski, the company's Chairman and Chief Executive Officer and Mike Fortunato, the company's Chief Financial Officer. Before we begin, I'd like to remind everyone that our remarks may contain forward looking statements based on management's current expectations. These involve inherent risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those indicated. These risks are described in our filings with the OTC Markets and with the SEC.

You are cautioned not to place undue reliance on forward looking statements, which speak only as of the date made. The company undertakes no obligation to update them unless required by law. Additionally, as discussed in our Q4 twenty twenty four earnings call, we are undergoing an SEC review process related to our planned uplisting to NASDAQ. Today's financial results are preliminary and unaudited and final results may change, perhaps materially, pending the completion of our financial statement audit, which is predicated on the resolution of SEC comments related to their review of our Form 10. Before 2024 earnings call, we discussed the potential changes to our financial results and particularly revenues as a result of the resolution of SEC comments.

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Please refer to our prior comments as they continue to apply to our first quarter twenty twenty five results discussed today. Finally, this call also includes references to non GAAP financial measures. A reconciliation to comparable GAAP measures can be found in our earnings press release posted on the Investor Relations section of BioSound's website. With that, I'd now like to turn the call over to Jason Monteszewski. Jason?

Jason Monteszewski, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, BioSim Technologies: Thank you, Adam, and thank you all for joining us. Before we get into our prepared remarks, I want to take a moment to revisit an important topic that we discussed in more detail on our fourth quarter call. A full transcript of that call is available on our Investor Relations section of our website. And as a reminder, we are engaged in an ongoing accounting review related to our distribution agreement with Venture Medical. This includes active dialogue with our auditors and the SEC, specifically around the treatment of bona fide service fees paid to Venture.

While we do not believe this impacts the fundamentals of our business or the underlying economics, it could affect how we have presented top line revenue in the past and how we may present it going forward. That said, we do not expect any material changes to net income, adjusted EBITDA or EPS as a result of these discussions or the SEC review process. We are working diligently with our legal and accounting advisers to bring this matter to resolution, and we remain confident in the strength of our business. We appreciate your patience as we complete this important step to ensure our Form 10 is accurate and aligned with all applicable guidance. Now I'm pleased to report that BioSim delivered the strongest first quarter revenue in our company's history, with revenue increasing 73% year over year to $72,500,000 marking our fifth consecutive quarter of profitability.

We reported GAAP net income of $4,500,000 or $0.27 per share and an adjusted EBITDA of 7,800,000.0 Importantly, we ended the quarter with $26,700,000 in cash, which is an increase from $22,800,000 in Q4. Our commercial performance was driven by the ongoing momentum of our flagship products. Vendahe AC continues to roll out nationally through our partnership with Venture Medical, and we are seeing meaningful adoption as that product gains traction with our customers in the private office, including mobile, long term care and skilled nursing sites of service. We continue to see growing clinical and commercial demand for our products powered by BioRetain, driven by the differentiation of that technology and its performance for our customers. While we are pleased with our strong year over year growth in the first quarter, it's important to acknowledge the impact of the LCD.

Although the implementation of the LCD was delayed until January of twenty twenty six, the uncertainty that persisted during the quarter created headwinds across the chronic wound care market and impacted our sequential quarterly growth. Despite this challenge, our results clearly demonstrate BioSim's ability to execute and outperform industry trends. Our growing customer base, strong clinical value prop and proactive commercial strategies enable BioSim to maintain positive momentum. From an operational perspective, we are prioritizing the transition of customers from MUF2 to Vendahe AC to drive brand consistency within the Vendahe product family. This strategy is expected to reduce SG and A costs as Vendahe AC does not carry licensing fees and will ultimately improve profitability as we scale the business.

With regard to revenue, we're focused on four core tactics to accelerate growth in the year ahead. First, Venture Medical continues to scale its commercial footprint. With more than 150 sales representatives already operating nationwide, they're aggressively expanding into new geographies, both by adding ten ninety nine reps in uncovered territories and by building a 40 person direct sales team to deepen coverage. Second, we're seeing strong and expanded adoption of OneView, Venture's proprietary practice management platform. OneView is designed to streamline the entire wound care process, everything from patient insurance verification and clinical documentation to inventory management, reimbursement and post treatment tracking.

It's become a key differentiator for Venture, enabling providers to reduce administrative burden and focus more on patient care. We're also enhancing OneView with new features that further automate workflow and provide integrated clinical and operational insights. These investments are not just about efficiency, they're about strengthening long term customer loyalty, improving Net Promoter Scores and ultimately increasing customer lifetime value. Third, we're expanding sales efforts along the Eastern Seaboard, where we see strong provider density and favorable market dynamics. This initiative is tightly integrated with OneView, which continues to be a force multiplier for field teams, simplifying documentation, improving claim velocity and driving revenue capture.

And fourth, we're actively evaluating acquisition opportunities to diversify our product portfolio and expand our reach across the Advanced Wound Care continuum. We believe strategic M and A can unlock new revenue channels, strengthen our commercial infrastructure and increase shareholder value. On the clinical trial front, we continue to make solid progress across our randomized controlled trials with improved patient enrollment across all three active programs. In Q1, we received Institutional Review Board approval or IRB to initiate a new clinical trial evaluating BioRETAIN amnion chorion or BRAC for venous leg ulcers. This marks our third prospective randomized clinical trial, which underscores our commitment to generating high quality evidence that will commercially support our products and demonstrate superior patient outcomes.

These trials continue to advance according to plan with initial data readouts from our first trial anticipated by mid to late twenty twenty five and final results expected in early twenty twenty six. In addition to these randomized controlled trials, we are actively exploring partnering with Venture Medical on their Project Barrow program, which is a large scale patient registry being designed to collect real world data on the use of our products for the treatment of patients with a variety of chronic wound indications. Further strengthening our patent portfolio, we were issued notice of allowance for two new patent applications in Q1. Our intellectual property portfolio now includes 55 issued and 52 pending patents, providing protection for our proprietary technology and ensuring a sustainable competitive advantage in placenta derived technology. Finally,

Mike Fortunato, Chief Financial Officer, BioSim Technologies: on

Jason Monteszewski, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, BioSim Technologies: the capital markets front, we continue to make progress toward our planned uplisting to NASDAQ. We remain in active discussions with the SEC regarding our Form 10 registration. While this process takes time, we believe our submission was well positioned for approval once all comments are resolved. Achieving a NASDAQ listing is a major milestone for BioSim and will help broaden our shareholder base, increase liquidity and enhance our visibility within the investment community. Overall, we are extremely pleased with our Q1 performance and believe BioStem is well positioned for continued success as we advance through 2025.

With that, I'll turn the call over to Mike Fortunato for a more detailed review of our financial results.

Mike Fortunato, Chief Financial Officer, BioSim Technologies: Thank you, Jason, and good afternoon, everyone. We are very encouraged by our results in the first quarter of twenty twenty five. Net revenue was $72,500,000 compared to $41,900,000 in Q1 of twenty twenty four, representing a 73% increase. This growth was primarily driven by continued strength in our wound care portfolio led by Vendahi AC. Gross profit was $71,700,000 or 99% of net revenue compared to thirty nine point seven million dollars or 95% of net revenue in Q1 of twenty twenty four.

The increase in gross profit margin reflects product mix benefits and scale efficiencies, particularly as Venda AAC continues to gain traction. Importantly, Venda AAC does not carry licensing fees, which supports margin expansion. Operating expenses for Q1 were $66,400,000 up from $35,100,000 in the prior year period. This increase reflects investments in headcount, increased bona fide service fees due to the increase in sales of our product through our distribution channel, higher research and development costs and higher compensation costs as we continue to scale our business. As Jason mentioned, GAAP net income for the quarter was $4,500,000 or $0.27 per share compared to $3,300,000 or $0.20 per share in Q1 of twenty twenty four.

Adjusted EBITDA was $7,800,000 compared to $7,900,000 in the same period last year. We are pleased to have delivered positive GAAP net income for the fifth consecutive quarter, which underscores our continued focus on operating discipline and profitability as we scale. Our strong balance sheet and improving cash flow positions us well to fund our growth going forward. Despite the LTV related uncertainty that has impacted the broader market and our results, BioServis business model remains highly resilient. We believe that our strong financial position, deepening partnership with Venture Medical and ongoing capital markets initiatives position us well to continue delivering strong financial performance in the quarters ahead.

With that, I'll turn the call back over to Jason for closing remarks.

Jason Monteszewski, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, BioSim Technologies: Thank you, Mike. In closing, BioStim delivered the strongest first quarter revenue in the company's history with revenue increasing 73% year over year to $72,500,000 and marking our fifth consecutive quarter of profitability as we continue to build positive momentum across our business. We continue to strengthen our balance sheet now with $26,700,000 in cash, which was an increase from $22,800,000 in Q4. Our commercial engine remains strong, supported by the ongoing nationwide adoption of VENDAHEA AC. Patient enrollment in our ongoing clinical trials is progressing as expected and will generate clinical data support broader market adoption and payer coverage.

We believe BioStem is well positioned for 2025 as we focus on delivering strong results and creating meaningful value for all stakeholders. Looking ahead, we will remain focused on growing our Vendahi AC footprint through Venture Medical's expanded coverage, driving profitability through operational efficiencies, advancing our clinical validation efforts and completing the NASDAQ uplifting process. We are excited about the opportunities ahead and look forward to updating our shareholders on future developments. I want to thank our dedicated employees in the STEM, our partners at Venture Medical and our shareholders for your continued support. With that, operator, please open the call for questions.

Call Operator: Our first question comes from the line of Bruce Jackson from The Benchmark Company. Please go ahead.

Bruce Jackson, Analyst, The Benchmark Company: Hi. Good afternoon and thank you for taking my questions. I wondered if we could get a quick update on the enrollment for the two diabetic foot ulcer trials and when we might see some data.

Jason Monteszewski, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, BioSim Technologies: Sure Bruce. So thanks again for calling in. We for the first DFU study, we are almost completed with patient enrollment. We anticipate final enrollment by the end of this month. And so hoping to look at data readouts in the back half of this year.

The second trial is moving along and hoping to get full enrollment by mid to late Q3 with readouts in the beginning of next year. And the VOU study, we just initiated enrollment. So we anticipate getting hopefully towards final enrollment by the end of this year and readouts midway through next year.

Bruce Jackson, Analyst, The Benchmark Company: Okay, great. And then one follow-up question. Are you going to be collecting any cost effectiveness data?

Jason Monteszewski, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, BioSim Technologies: We anticipate on doing a health economics analysis once we complete the dataset. And so that would be looking at analyzing the existing trial data and then kind of doing a house economics analysis to kind of cross reference some of the cost effectiveness.

Bruce Jackson, Analyst, The Benchmark Company: Okay, great. And then, one last question for me. You mentioned that you're expanding, not you, but your partner is expanding the geographic coverage for sales. Roughly what percentage of the country do you have covered right now?

Jason Monteszewski, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, BioSim Technologies: So as far as reimbursement coverage or specific sales footprint coverage?

Bruce Jackson, Analyst, The Benchmark Company: Sales footprint coverage, please.

Jason Monteszewski, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, BioSim Technologies: Yes. So right now we're very strong, I would say, West Of The Mississippi. We are just starting to look at adding coverage on the East Coast Of The United States, kind of what we alluded to in the call earlier. Venture Medical like we mentioned is bringing on 40 direct representatives and they put in place three area sales directors, East, Central and West. And so we're looking to drive more adoption on the East Coast where we don't have a significant amount of coverage currently.

Bruce Jackson, Analyst, The Benchmark Company: Okay, super. Thank you very much.

Jason Monteszewski, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, BioSim Technologies: Thank you.

Call Operator: Our next question comes from the line of Siva Gajula, Private Investor. Please go ahead.

Siva Gajula, Private Investor: Sure. Thank you. Thanks for giving me the opportunity. So I just wanted to ask two questions. Regarding operating expenses, it has increased nearly 90% year on year.

So what are the main cost drivers and how are you controlling SG and A and distribution costs?

Jason Monteszewski, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, BioSim Technologies: Sure. I'll let Mike answer that one.

Adam Holdsworth, Director of Investor Relations, BioSim Technologies: Sure. Sure.

Mike Fortunato, Chief Financial Officer, BioSim Technologies: So basically, there's the scaling up of the business that's happening as a result of the increase in revenue is part of it. And also legal fees with respect to the SEC uplisting and that back uplisting and SEC legal costs.

Siva Gajula, Private Investor: Okay. Thanks for answering. So I have one more question. Like, are the margins sustainable at the current 99% gross margin level? Or what are the initiatives that are play that are in place to maintain or improve the EBITDA margins?

Mike Fortunato, Chief Financial Officer, BioSim Technologies: So on on the gross margin, the short answer is yes. So so basically, we're as Jason mentioned, we're moving more towards the die AC, which does not carry within a license fee. So without the license fee hitting cost of revenue, the margins should stay relatively high. And I'm sorry, missed your second question.

Siva Gajula, Private Investor: What are the initiatives that are in place to maintain or improve the EBITDA margin?

Mike Fortunato, Chief Financial Officer, BioSim Technologies: Yes. So I think just cost containment, obviously, and we'll continue to be disciplined around management expenses. I think that's the first time. We've always run a lead ship here, I think we'll continue to do that as much as possible.

Siva Gajula, Private Investor: Okay. And what is your updated full year revenue guidance? Any anything in percentage basis? And also, like, the venture medical, most of the portion is going to venture medical. So in in the upcoming quarters, what are the plans to, minimize or, any other way to reduce?

Mike Fortunato, Chief Financial Officer, BioSim Technologies: I'm sorry. I had a hard time understanding your question. Can you repeat it?

Siva Gajula, Private Investor: Yeah. I'm asking about the full year guidance for 2025. And also, do you have any plans to reduce the percentage of the revenue going to the venture medical?

Mike Fortunato, Chief Financial Officer, BioSim Technologies: Sorry, I'm still having a really hard time understanding. I apologize.

Jason Monteszewski, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, BioSim Technologies: I think the question was around, are we anticipating or planning on giving any guidance around revenue or EBITDA At this time, no, we are not planning on giving any guidance. The second piece around EBITDA margin, think is what you answered correct?

Siva Gajula, Private Investor: Yes. Especially about the Venture Medical. The most of the portion from the marketing and sales going to be venture medical directly. I just wanted to check if

Jason Monteszewski, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, BioSim Technologies: currently, our core focus is specifically in the physician office segment looking at long term care, skilled nursing and mobile wound care. And that partnership with Venture Medical is really driving our success in sales adopt success and in the adoption of Vendahe AC across those sites of service. So at this time, specifically around those sites of service, we're continuing to utilize Venture in the OneView platform for really continuing to roll those things out. We anticipate, as we mentioned in the call, expanding access and coverage around the East Coast Of The United States. And I think the OneView platform is going to really be instrumental in driving adoption success there.

We are, as we mentioned, looking at M and A opportunities. And with that, maybe we'll also help, to your point, diversify risk around our single commercial partner. But looking to we're looking at opportunities along the way as we go here throughout this year.

Siva Gajula, Private Investor: Thanks, Vasant. And also one more the last question. So the revenue is down compared to the q one with the q four twenty twenty four. So is is it because of any seasonality or any other reason related to supply chain or any other issues?

Jason Monteszewski, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, BioSim Technologies: No. It's a good question. I mean, think the biggest challenge obviously is we had two scenarios where the potential LCD would have gone into effect, the February date and the April date. So we had a lot of consternation around providers concerned about utilizing product and then running into a situation where if they're applying product for a course of therapy over ten weeks that ultimately that patient would run into a situation where they would have to cross them over to another product or just this uncertainty of well my claims get paid and there was kind of a lot of unknown and uncertainty. So the dialogue that we had with providers is that they some of them pulled back on utilization of substitutes in general.

And I think we see that across, on the marketplace. Along with our peers, we all due to the uncertainty all had similar pullbacks within the marketplace. But now as we mentioned that has moved out Jan one of twenty twenty six. So we have a clear line of sight. We're going to continue to work on getting the clinical data for CMS and HHS to make sure that if they do come back out with or this LCD goes into effect with the covered and non covered products that we'll be able to have a dialogue with them before that November date and be able to satisfy those requirements to make sure our products are on the covered list.

Call Operator: Got it. Thanks.

Siva Gajula, Private Investor: And can you also give an update on the enrollment and the time lines for the DFU and the VLE clinical trials and how those might impact the reimbursement or the market expansion?

Jason Monteszewski, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, BioSim Technologies: How they will impact it? In what context? Sorry.

Siva Gajula, Private Investor: It's in the context of reimbursement or the market expansion.

Jason Monteszewski, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, BioSim Technologies: I mean, right now, the goal is to get that clinical data to demonstrate why our products should be on the covered list of the current LCD that hasn't gone into effect that potentially may go into effect on 01/01/2026. And so we're looking at our product versus standard of care is the second leg of the arm of those trials. And so our goal is to hopefully demonstrate the product's efficacy and make sure that CMS and the MACs acknowledge the efficacy and the superiority of BioRetain to make sure we meet that covered list requirement.

Siva Gajula, Private Investor: Got it. So regarding the the reimbursement, the Medicare and other areas, like like, are are there any improvements? Any are you planning to add any more products to the Medicare and other benefits area?

Jason Monteszewski, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, BioSim Technologies: No. Not at this time. Our core focus is really supporting the Vendalhe product line. So Vendalhe, Vendalhe AC and Vendalhe optic. And so that's kind of what we've been core focused on.

As we mentioned in the call, we are transitioning away from AmiRap two and making sure that we're mitigating some of the licensing fee, which will hopefully improve SG and A costs and improve the bottom line as well. But right now, our core, at least in the physician office segment, specifically mobile wound care, long term care and skilled nursing is really the Vendahe product family.

Siva Gajula, Private Investor: Okay. Can I know the breakdown q one sales by product? Like, how much percentage is Vendahi AC and Amni VAP two? Yes.

Jason Monteszewski, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, BioSim Technologies: Currently, we don't disclose specific product breakdown at this time.

Siva Gajula, Private Investor: No problem. Thank you.

Call Operator: Yep.

Siva Gajula, Private Investor: And, again, last question. Is there any expectation that you give on the Nasdaq listing? Like how long it may take?

Mike Fortunato, Chief Financial Officer, BioSim Technologies: Yes. So as we mentioned in the press release, we're still working through it with the SEC process in the common letter. I can't really speculate on the timing. I know we've had some productive conversations with them and our auditors as well as the SEC counsel. But we you know, it would be, just speculation for me on what what time frame it would be.

Jason Monteszewski, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, BioSim Technologies: Yeah. And may know

Siva Gajula, Private Investor: the the the market share that is for the BioStim, the overall wound care perspective, how much market share currently we are grabbing?

Jason Monteszewski, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, BioSim Technologies: Across the global mobile market share of advanced wound care? I mean, a specific subset? I mean, it's a pretty vast question.

Siva Gajula, Private Investor: I'm I'm sorry. Just to be curious to know, like, how much even in future, how much percentage are planned they are targeted?

Jason Monteszewski, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, BioSim Technologies: Yes. I mean, I think our goal is to like I mentioned earlier, our goal with Venture Medical is to really focus on the physician office segment. And so we're continuing to expand our footprint. We have a strong foothold on the West Coast, but our goal is to expand on the East Coast and continue to execute in and around that.

Call Operator: Thank you. Next question? Our final question comes from the line of Eric Voss from Mission Vertical. Please go ahead.

Eric Voss, Analyst, Mission Vertical: Hey guys, can you hear me?

Jason Monteszewski, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, BioSim Technologies: Yes, sir. How are you doing, Eric?

Eric Voss, Analyst, Mission Vertical: Good, good. Congratulations on another good quarter, guys. I had a number of questions, some of them you answered already. It sounds like the diabetic foot ulcer and the leg ulcer take somewhere around the ten weeks. I'm trying to understand how much of Q1 was affected by these LCD deadlines, first being pushed to April and then into next year.

Do you have a sense for the impact in Q1 of that of those two events?

Jason Monteszewski, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, BioSim Technologies: Yes. Internally, we've been using some metrics. I think the easiest indicator is insurance verification requests or IVRs. We definitely saw some downturn in Q1, especially as we got closer to the Feb date and the April date. And then as soon as we the April date kind of lifted off, we definitely started seeing an uptick in IVRs in Q2.

So we do kind of have a track and internal metric. And that's something that we've been kind of following to kind of see how big of an impact. Also frankly Ventures sent out customer surveys on several cadences and just really kind of paying the customers on what are their top three concerns. And some of the larger mobile wound care practices, were becoming a little bit resilient or excuse me, hesitant to start adopting a patient on a skin substitute as we got closer to those LCD dates. And so now that those kind of are behind us, like I said, we've been tracking IVR, submissions and see, you know, some good levels coming back.

Eric Voss, Analyst, Mission Vertical: Brilliant. So that was my second question because this kind of affects Q2, the first, I guess, couple of weeks as well, but you immediately after this got pushed, saw kind of a recovery in the trends that you were on before the LCD was announced?

Jason Monteszewski, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, BioSim Technologies: Yes. That is correct, Eric.

Eric Voss, Analyst, Mission Vertical: Okay. Very good. And then the Form 10, just to follow-up on that, Mike. We're down to the last one or two issues on that and

Mike Fortunato, Chief Financial Officer, BioSim Technologies: is that That's right. That's right. It has to do with as we disclosed last quarter, it has to do with the placement geography of the payments we make the venture to commercialize the product. And the question becomes whether it's a gross revenue versus a net. We think we have a really good position.

We had productive calls last week. And so the fact that the SEC is still working through, mean, it's a pretty complex issue. And so we're getting through it, but I do believe we have the right our auditors support us. I think it's in the right place. So hopefully, we'll hear something relatively soon.

Eric Voss, Analyst, Mission Vertical: Then last question, just on that again. How long does it take to submit the Form 10, obviously, because you got just brought your numbers out again. So is that

Jason Monteszewski, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, BioSim Technologies: a day turnout?

Mike Fortunato, Chief Financial Officer, BioSim Technologies: Is that a week turnaround? What is that? Yes. We're actually actively working on it also. I've already have a draft Form 10 with the March numbers.

The numbers that we currently have in there become still in about two days here. So we've got the Q1 numbers updated. We've got the cap table and beneficial ownership table. So we're actively working on it getting it ready to go here. So hopefully, once we hear back from the SEC, it will be a matter of we've got to get the auditors through it.

I don't want to overpromise, but they have a review process. They'll have to get through it. And obviously, will depend on the answer that the SEC gives us, right? So if there's a net revenue recognition we want to do quickly, it's not a complex adjustment to make, but there will be some time to revise disclosure, etcetera. So I would say, yes, I know.

I hate to put a timeframe on it because I have no idea what I'm getting the SEC comments back the decision, but it shouldn't be that much longer.

Jason Monteszewski, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, BioSim Technologies: We appreciate your Understood.

Eric Voss, Analyst, Mission Vertical: Well, congratulations again on a good quarter, guys. Thanks.

Jason Monteszewski, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, BioSim Technologies: Thank you. Thanks, Eric.

Call Operator: I will now turn the call back over to Jason Matoszewski for closing remarks.

Jason Monteszewski, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, BioSim Technologies: Well, thank you again, everybody, for your thoughtful questions and your continued interest in BioStem. We're incredibly proud of our performance this quarter, the strongest Q1 in company history, reflecting not only on the growing demand of our products, but also the strength of our operational execution and the resilience of our business model, even amid reimbursement uncertainty like you all just asked around your guys' questions. The traction we're seeing with Vendalhe AC across private practice, mobile wound care and long term care settings affirms the clinical performance of our BioRetain technology and the power of our distribution partnership with Venture Medical. At the same time, we continue to strengthen our balance sheet, scale our infrastructure and invest in clinical validation, all of which are essential for building a durable, high growth business. As we move through 2025, we remain focused on four key priorities: expanding access to Vendalhe AC driving operational efficiencies, advancing our clinical trials and completing our uplisting to NASDAQ.

Each of these pillars support our long term mission: to deliver innovative, evidence based solutions that improve healing and outcomes for patients with chronic wounds. We appreciate your support and look forward to keeping you guys all updated on our continued progress. Thank you and have a good evening.

Call Operator: Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes today's call. Thank you all for joining. You may now disconnect.

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