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Published May 19, 2025 05:53PM ET
8x8 Inc (EGHT) reported its fourth-quarter 2025 financial results, showing steady performance with earnings per share (EPS) meeting expectations at $0.08. Revenue fell slightly short of forecasts, coming in at $177 million against an anticipated $181.65 million. Following the announcement, the company's stock experienced a minor decline, closing at $1.81, down 0.55%, but rose slightly in after-hours trading to $1.84, representing a 2.22% increase. According to InvestingPro data shows the stock has been quite volatile, with a beta of 1.8 and a significant 33% decline over the past six months. Despite recent challenges, analysts have revised their earnings expectations upward for the upcoming period.
Looking ahead, 8x8 projects service revenue between $170 million and $175 million for fiscal Q1 2026 and aims for full fiscal year 2026 service revenue of $682 million to $702 million. The company is targeting high single-digit revenue growth by fiscal 2028 and expects a stable non-GAAP net income.
CEO Samuel Wilson highlighted the company's strategic positioning, stating, "We're not a UC company, we're not a CC company, we're not a CPaaS company. We're a business communications company." He emphasized the resilience of 8x8's business model and its ongoing transformation efforts, noting, "The flywheel is starting to turn."
8x8 faces several risks, including:
During the earnings call, analysts inquired about the impact of macroeconomic conditions on 8x8's deal cycles and the progress of its go-to-market transformation, which is reportedly 60-70% complete. The company remains focused on expanding its multi-product customer base and investing in communications APIs and innovation.
Conference Operator: Thank you for standing by, and welcome to 8x8's Fourth Quarter and Fiscal Year twenty twenty five Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. After the speaker presentation, there will be a question and answer session. To ask a question during the session, you will need to press 11 on your telephone. To remove yourself from the queue, you may press 11 again.
I would now like to hand the call over to Kate Patterson, vice president, finance. Please go ahead.
Kate Patterson, Vice President, Finance, 8x8: Thank you. Good afternoon, everyone. Today's agenda will include a review of our results for the fourth quarter of fiscal twenty twenty five with Samuel Wilson, our Chief Executive Officer and Kevin Krause, our Chief Financial Officer. Following our prepared remarks, there will be a question and answer session. Before we get started, let me remind you that our discussion today includes forward looking statements about our future financial performance, including investments in innovation and our focus on profitability and cash flow as well as statements regarding our business, products and growth strategies.
We caution you not to put undue reliance on these forward looking statements as they involve risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to vary materially from forward looking statements as described in our risk factors in our report filed with the SEC. Any forward looking statements made on this call and in the presentation slides reflect our analysis as of today, and we have no plans or obligations to update them. All financial metrics that will be discussed on this call are non GAAP unless otherwise noted. These non GAAP metrics, together with year over year comparisons in some cases, were not prepared in accordance with U. S.
Generally Accepted Accounting Principles or GAAP. A reconciliation of these non GAAP metrics to the closest comparable GAAP metric is provided in our earnings release and our earnings presentation slides, which are available on 8x8's Investor Relations website at investors.8x8.com. With that, I'll turn the call over to Samuel Wilson.
Samuel Wilson, Chief Executive Officer, 8x8: Good afternoon, everyone. Thank you for joining us today to review our fourth quarter and full fiscal year twenty twenty five performance. I want to express my deep appreciation to our global team, our customers, our partners and our investors. This quarter reflects the grit, focus and long term thinking that defines 8x8 and gives me real confidence about where we're headed. Before we get into the details of the quarter, I want to address a few of the broader market dynamics.
While our opportunity remains large, the economic picture has shifted and recent tariff actions and global uncertainty have added more noise to an already complex environment. We're staying focused on what we can control: disciplined execution, platform innovation and delivering outcomes that matter to our customers. Markets will ebb and flow. But what doesn't change is our commitment to building a durable, cash generative business that creates long term value, and that's exactly what we're doing. We're not dismissing these challenges, but we've prepared for them.
Our business model is built on resilience, and the results for the quarter reflect operational discipline, business quality and the flexibility to keep investing where it counts. Our theme for today is simple: the flywheel is starting to turn. After several years of foundational work, we are seeing real acceleration in our core 8x8 revenue, platform differentiation and strategic execution. This momentum is visible in our numbers, in our innovation and in the way our customers are responding. Let's walk through three key messages we believe define the fiscal fourth quarter and FY 2025 and why I'm confident we have a solid future.
As many of you know, we began a massive transformation of 8x8 in earnest in fiscal twenty twenty three on the heels of our acquisition of Hughes. We had a clear plan: fix our financial model, invest in innovation and retention and deliver measurable CX outcomes for our customers. We took bold steps to set the stage. We began paying down debt to increase our financial flexibility. We rebranded the company and completely rebuilt our go to market functions while continuing to invest in innovation.
Now as we exit fiscal twenty twenty five, I am confident in saying we are starting to see the results of our GTM rebuild, which is not complete yet. For the fourth quarter, year over year growth in excluding revenue from all Fuse customers, accelerated to 4.6% from 2.7% in Q3. This is the second consecutive quarter of improvement and marks our highest growth rate in 8x8 stand alone service revenue in ten quarters. We've also accelerated when looking at the entire fiscal year. For fiscal twenty twenty five, 8x8 service revenue, again excluding revenue from Fuze customers, grew 2.8% compared to growth of 1.8% in fiscal twenty twenty four.
Lastly, as Kevin will discuss, the combined cash flow from operations for fiscal twenty twenty four and 2025 is the highest two years ever at 8x8 and over half our market capitalization as of Friday. We have used the cash wisely, paying off debt and reinvesting in platform innovation that is driving today's growth. Highlights for the fourth quarter include: continued rapid adoption of our communications APIs, also known as CPaaS the number of interactions surged in the fourth quarter driving solid growth the number of customers with three or more products increased 13% year over year to more than 700 customers. This reflects increasing cross sell to our installed base as well as landing more new logos with multiple products. Demonstrating this trend, 80% of our top 20 new logo customers and two thirds of our top 20 add on deals included both unified communications and contact center.
We saw strong momentum in sales of our Microsoft Teams integration, with new license sales up 72% in the fourth quarter of twenty twenty four. The cumulative number of licenses sold into Teams environments grew 30% year over year and now totals more than 550,000 seats. We also continue to see sizable UC only deals as customers migrate from legacy vendors, in particular Avaya, Mitel and Cisco. We win these deals based on the strength platform and the initial UCaaS deployment is typically the first phase of a multi product adoption. Finally, we made substantial progress in upgrading customers from the service platform to 8x8.
We expect to have all the customers fully off the legacy Fuse platform by the end of the calendar year. I believe these are important signals, especially in the current uncertain environment. We still have a lot of work to do, but we are seeing a steady climb, not just isolated wins. That gives me confidence as we look beyond our fiscal year twenty twenty six into fiscal twenty twenty seven and fiscal twenty twenty eight. Our second key message this quarter is about innovation, specifically how we've added new AI based capabilities across our platform, expanded our technology partner ecosystem and improved usability and accessibility.
In the quarter, we introduced a series of platform level enhancements designed to solve systematic challenges in customer experience, employee efficiency and digital transformation. Before we go through the highlights, it makes sense to add the context of how the 8x8 platform for CX is differentiated and why it matters for customers. You already know that 8x8 was the first in the industry to deliver an integrated platform with contact center unified communications and communications APIs built into a single cloud native solution. AgenTeq AI requires data quantity, quality, and context to deliver on its promise. 8x8's platform for CX delivers all three via the Customer Interaction Data Platform, or CIDP.
CIDP captures, connects and contextualizes interaction data across the organization and across channels. With fully AI optimized data, customers are able to unlock the potential of an expanding portfolio of powerful AI capabilities, including intelligent routing, sentiment analysis, live agent guidance, journey optimization and a host of other capabilities available from 8x8 and our partners. In early April, we showcased to our U. K. Customer Advisory Council and our global industry analysts how our unified platform and approach to data differentiated our solutions, and they were notably impressed.
We heard comments like, quote, this feels like a company starting to go on offense, not just cleaning up from the past, And, quote, your biggest differentiator might be how you show up. There's a level of honesty and transparency we don't often see in this space. During these events, we showcased recent innovations, including platform wide AI chat summarization and composed with AI capabilities. Advanced CX solutions that leverage the power of our platform, such as 8x8 JourneyIQ, which gives businesses real time visibility into the customer journey, not just inside the contact center, but across every department and channel. And 8x8 AI Orchestrator, which connects communications flows using a GUI across systems, ensuring that transitions between bots, agents and departments are seamless, smart and contextual.
Expanding in omnichannel, we became the first contact center provider to fully integrate rich communication services, or RCS, business messaging, enabling rich, branded, two way messaging for digital channels. I'm proud to say we are carrying traffic today, and I'm bullish on RCS. We launched Apple Pay and Google Pay support via 8x8 Secure Pay, streamlining transactions and expanding self-service payment options. We also expanded our technology partner ecosystem, or TPETs for short, to provide customers with best in breed from single source solutions. New integrations include Call Cabinet to deliver industry leading compliant call recording for regulated industries.
SpinSci, powering EHR compliant patient engagement in health care. And lastly, Meltwater, allowing social media engagement to be routed, tracked and resolved within the contact center. As with other TPEST partners, these solutions are deeply integrated with our platform and our customer interaction data layer to deliver complete solutions and specific outcomes. This allows the customers to punch above their weight and deliver tailored omnichannel customer experience specifically available only to the largest enterprises. Our platform strategy, continued innovation and our focus on outcomes is clearly resonating with customers.
Let me highlight AP wins, a prominent UK based travel company who chose 8x8 platform for CX for its seamless communication and collaboration across the organization, combined with the scalability and global reach to power their ambitious expansion plans. They are deploying 8x8 Work, Contact Center and Voice for Teams. A homebuilding products company where our success was driven by our compelling AI vision and the ability to consolidate multiple legacy systems. Our team delivered a tailored, impactful demonstration to showcase how 8x8 could simplify operations and deliver the features they need. A leading UK based mortgage lender, where we demonstrated a foolproof solution that aligned closely with their strategic goals.
We stood out from competitive solutions with a unified user experience and tangible cost benefits. Products included 8x8 Voice for Teams, 8x8 Contact Center with enhanced IVR. A U. S.-based network of medical clinics where we were able to demonstrate the integration of their EHR system with 8x8 contact center, an initiative that the competition was either unable or unwilling to support. Each of these wins and other wins profiled in the earnings deck demonstrate the breadth of our solution.
Perhaps most importantly, they showcase our consultative, partner first approach, solving customer challenges and delivering The third and final key message is about the multiple transitions we are navigating in an uncertain economic environment. We believe these transitions are essential to position us for long term durable growth, profitability and value creation. Let me touch on the largest of these initiatives. First, our go to market rebuild and channel evolution. After slashing costs in fiscal twenty twenty three and early fiscal twenty twenty four, we have rebuilt our go to market model around solution selling partner enablement.
This has required making changes in our sales organization and building innovative training and robust processes for accountability, and we're seeing performance improve. The next initiative is continuing to grow our enterprise business while maintaining our installed base of small business customers. We know our innovation strategy and focus on outcome resonates with small and medium sized enterprises, and we are investing in targeted programs to reach new logos and expand our wallet share within existing customers. But this does not mean we are abandoning our installed base of small business customers. Investments expanding AI capabilities in 8x8 Work and other UC feature releases, along with resources dedicated to education and customer success, all support this customer cohort.
Finally, we continue to upgrade the Fuse customer base to 8x8 platform. We recognize that not all of the remaining customers will make the transition, and we are being conservative in our estimates of the amount of revenue we will retain. Those that upgrade are exceptionally happy and have a net dollar retention rate above 100%. These transitions are not easy, but they're setting the stage for what comes next. As we look forward, we remain realistic about the challenges ahead, but we are seeing signs of a tailwind.
Our 8x8 business is growing, and our growth is accelerating. Again, growth is not a straight line, but we continue to believe that high single digit revenue growth and double digit operating margins are achievable in the next few years. Our innovation engine is delivering, and our own platform and new products are being adopted at scale. And we are navigating through the current economic conditions while ensuring our GTM and financial foundations are stronger than they've been in years. Our guidance for fiscal twenty twenty six reflects the impacts of our decision to close down the Fuse platform, and that impact lessens substantially in fiscal twenty twenty seven.
We believe that with continued execution, we can achieve that high single digit service revenue growth by fiscal twenty twenty eight, and we believe we can improve each year between now and then. Thank you for your continued support. I will now turn the call over to Kevin to take you through a detailed financial performance. Performance.
Kevin Krause, Chief Financial Officer, 8x8: Thanks, Sam. Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining us for our fiscal fourth quarter earnings call. As we wrap up fiscal twenty twenty five, I want to recognize our team's unwavering commitment to advancing our strategic priorities by improving operational efficiency, generating strong cash flow, and driving meaningful innovation. In q four, we maintained focused execution, prudent cost management, and steady progress on platform innovation, all while navigating a challenging macroeconomic backdrop. The fourth quarter marked another period of solid performance, including a new record in communications platform usage revenue, strong profit margins and another quarter of positive cash flow from operations following last quarter's record.
Q4 marked our seventeenth straight quarter of positive operating cash flow and non GAAP operating profit. We continued our thoughtful approach to debt reduction, making a $15,000,000 term loan prepayment during q four and an additional $15,000,000 payment in April during fiscal q one twenty six. With these actions, we have now reduced the principal balance of our debt by over $209,000,000 or approximately 38% since the August 2022 peak. Detailed results are available in our press release and trended financials on the Investor Relations site, but I'll walk through the key highlights. Unless otherwise noted, all figures, aside from revenue and cash flow, are on a non GAAP basis.
Total revenue was a hundred $77,000,000, near the midpoint of our guidance range. Service revenue totaled $171,600,000 also near the midpoint of guidance. Our service revenue, excluding Fuse, grew year over year. This growth was offset by the anticipated decline in revenue customers. Importantly, we made significant progress in upgrading these customers to the eight by eight platform, reducing the remaining revenue on the Fuze platform to under 5% of service revenue, down from approximately 11% in q four twenty four.
The pace of these upgrades has accelerated over the past few months, and we remain on track to complete the transition by the end of calendar year 2025. This will further simplify our operations and enhance customer engagement. These results underscore the resilience of our core business even as we address the fuse related headwinds. Gross margin for the quarter was 69%, at the low end of our guidance range. This was driven by revenue mix as lower margin platform usage revenue grew to approximately 13.5% of total revenue, up both sequentially and year over year.
The gross margin of our underlying subscription business remained healthy and consistent with prior quarters. Our total operating expenses remained in line with prior periods, reflecting our continued approach to responsible cost management. As a result, we delivered 10% operating margin at the high end of our guidance range. We also made meaningful progress on GAAP profitability, marking our third consecutive quarter of GAAP operating income, an important milestone. Stock based compensation declined to 4.6% of total revenue, a multiyear low, down over 22,000,000 year over year and nearly 50,000,000 or 55% over two years, reflecting our shift to primarily cash based compensation for most employees, which is captured in our non GAAP operating income.
Turning to the balance sheet. We ended q four with $89,300,000 in cash, cash equivalents and restricted cash, down approximately $15,000,000 sequentially due to the term loan prepayment made in the quarter. The q four balance sheet reflects $11,600,000 in current term loan liabilities, net of unamortized discounts and issuance costs, corresponding to $12,000,000 in principal payments due over the next twelve months. Following our $15,000,000 prepayment in April, we have no remaining short term debt obligations for fiscal year twenty twenty six, with the next scheduled quarterly payment due on 06/30/2026. Our net debt to trailing twelve month EBITDA ratio was approximately 2.7x, down from over 6x in fiscal Q2 'twenty three, enhancing our financial flexibility for strategic execution.
We also reported stockholders' equity growth for the fourth consecutive quarter, underscoring steady progress in strengthening our capital position. Our remaining performance obligation ended at $780,000,000 up approximately 1% year over year, reflecting the strength of our multiyear contractual commitments and a healthy recurring revenue base. We generated $5,900,000 in operating cash flow in Q4, building on a record Q3 and bringing full year cash flow to $63,600,000 within the $61,000,000 to $65,000,000 range provided last quarter. Over the past two years, we've generated more than $142,000,000 in operating cash flow, highlighting the strength of our business model and our ability to fund strategic investments while evolving into a solutions based CX platform. While cash flow may fluctuate due to seasonality, investment timing, and other factors, we remain committed to disciplined capital management in support of long term growth and shareholder value.
We continue to invest in simplifying how customers and partners engage with eight by eight, enhancing our direct channel and digital go to market strategies and strengthening our technology ecosystem through advanced AI integration. With a focus on mid market and enterprise customers, we're equipping our sales teams with new enablement tools and training while expanding our use of AI and automation across both front and back office functions to drive productivity and efficiency. These investments are central to unlocking long term operating leverage, enabling scalable engagement, reducing our cost base, and supporting sustained revenue growth and profitability. As we fund these growth initiatives, we expect some near term pressure on non GAAP operating margin. However, with over $60,000,000 of debt retired in fiscal twenty five and an additional 15,000,000 prepaid in April, our quarterly interest burden has meaningfully declined.
As a result, we expect non GAAP net income to remain stable even with modest margin compression, supporting consistent bottom line performance while positioning the business for long term growth. We continue to manage our cost structure with a focus on efficiency, aiming to balance stability with support for growth and innovation. Our target expense mix is roughly 14 to 15% of revenue for r and d, 33 to 35% for sales and marketing, and around 10% for g and a. At the same time, we maintain flexibility to adapt spending as needed, an important advantage in today's uncertain macro environment. For fiscal q one twenty six, we are guiding as follows.
Service revenue between 170,000,000 and $175,000,000 total revenue between $175,000,000 and $182,000,000 and non GAAP operating margin between 99.5%. In fiscal Q1 'twenty six, we expect interest expense, including amortization of debt issuance costs, to be approximately $4,900,000 based on current interest rates and our outstanding debt balance. Cash interest paid is projected to be around $2,600,000 as the semiannual interest on our 2028 convertible notes is not payable during the quarter. Our term loan interest rate assumption remains at approximately 7.3%, reflecting SOFR plus 3%. We anticipate fully diluted non GAAP earnings per share in the range of $07 to $09 and operating cash flow between $5,000,000 and $6,000,000 For fiscal year twenty twenty six, our guidance reflects the range of potential outcomes given ongoing macroeconomic uncertainty and FX volatility, especially with about one third of our revenue generated outside The US.
For the full fiscal year twenty twenty six, we are guiding as follows. Service revenue is expected to be between 682,000,000 and $702,000,000. Total revenue is expected to be between $7.00 $2,000,000 and $724,000,000 Full year operating margin is projected between 910%, translating to non GAAP operating income of approximately $67,500,000 at the midpoint of our full year revenue and operating margin guidance. As I noted earlier, even with a year over year step down in operating margin, we expect our non GAAP net income to remain relatively stable with fiscal twenty twenty five given the expected reduction in interest expense. We expect fully diluted non GAAP earnings per share to be in the range of $0.34 to $0.37 for the year, assuming approximately 144,000,000 average diluted shares outstanding.
And we anticipate cash flow from operations to be between 40,000,000 and $50,000,000 for the full year. To close, I wanna thank our employees for their ongoing dedication and execution. Fiscal twenty twenty five was a year of meaningful progress, tightening our operating model, delivering consistent profitability, and strengthening our foundation for growth. As we enter fiscal twenty twenty six, our priorities remain clear, focused execution, invest in scalable innovation, and continue delivering value for our customers and shareholders. With that, I'll turn it over for q and a.
Samuel Wilson, Chief Executive Officer, 8x8: Our first question
Conference Operator: comes from the line of Peter Levine of Evercore. Please go ahead, Peter.
Peter Levine, Analyst, Evercore: Great. Thank you for taking my question. Maybe can you share with us what you're hearing from your field reps, from your partners in terms of the macro impact? Is it sales cycles? Is it just a delay in spending?
Maybe just give us a
Kevin Krause, Chief Financial Officer, 8x8: little bit more color on
Peter Levine, Analyst, Evercore: what you're seeing and hearing from the macro side.
Samuel Wilson, Chief Executive Officer, 8x8: Sure, Peter. It's Sam, and thanks for the question. Look, I'll give you a little bit of a play by play, right? So in March, as the tariff stuff and April was really taking off, we noticed in The U. S.
A I don't for lack of a better word, a bit of chaos. Some was elongated deal cycles, some was shrinking depending on the urgency around the need to switch. So if you were at end of contract with an on prem provider and those kinds of things, did a deal, which might have done smaller than you originally wanted or you broke it up into more phases and those kinds of things. As this quarter has been rolling out, so April was a little bit of all over the place and May has been a little calmer. I don't know how you guys feel on the equity market side of the house, but it's just been a little calmer in the old U.
S. Technology side of the house. In terms of the rest of the world, I don't know, they just ignore us. I mean, seems like internal to us, it felt like at least to me two different markets. There was The US and the rest of the world, and the rest of the world was chugging along.
Peter Levine, Analyst, Evercore: Perfect. And then maybe can you clarify I know there's a lot of going on with the changes to the go to market. You said there's still some that needs to be addressed or you're still working through a few other changes. Maybe just walk us through what what remains in terms of your go to market. And then maybe just, Kevin, real quick, can you give us like an adjusted service revenue growth for fiscal twenty twenty six, excluding the Fuse?
Okay.
Samuel Wilson, Chief Executive Officer, 8x8: Peter, it's a work in progress. So we took a company that focused basically 100% of its business four years ago in the notion of buy what you're buying today in the cloud to buy a solution and an outcome around customer engagement from us. And so that's required a complete rebuild of the sales and marketing engine. You'll notice it in our rebrand. You'll notice it in how we structure our sales organization, all those kinds of things.
A lot of the heavy reorganization work has been done with the work at SKO this year. We've launched our new sales processes and things around more solution selling and outcome based selling. And now it's just a matter of fine tuning the engine. I would say we're 60%, seventy % of the way through that. But it takes a while because you know the deal cycles, right?
They're nine months. So as we launch these things, we get to sort of see seven, eight, nine months later to see how well they've taken and how it's working. And so I think that's a lot of fine tuning that I would expect over the next year. Yeah. And Peter, in
Kevin Krause, Chief Financial Officer, 8x8: terms of the revenue growth excluding Fuze, so Sam mentioned in the script also, it was 4.6% year over year, and it's an increase from the growth from q three. So we're a positive grower excluding the fuse business.
Kate Patterson, Vice President, Finance, 8x8: He also wanted fiscal year.
Samuel Wilson, Chief Executive Officer, 8x8: Oh, fiscal year. What I gave you. Three. It's
Kevin Krause, Chief Financial Officer, 8x8: yeah. 2.9. Two point nine percent.
Samuel Wilson, Chief Executive Officer, 8x8: I think he's asking for next year, though. Oh, he said Oh, he said next year. Yeah. He's asking actually he's asking that that's all nice. He could've gotten that out of the script.
He really wants to know what
Kevin Krause, Chief Financial Officer, 8x8: what you're forecasting for next year. Got it. Got it. My mistake, Peter. Yes, I don't have the number handy, but it'd be a positive growth rate.
The headwinds go away next year. So we should have a positive number again.
Conference Operator: Our next question comes from the line of Siti Panigrahi of Mizuho.
Siti Panigrahi, Analyst, Mizuho: Hi. Can you hear me?
Samuel Wilson, Chief Executive Officer, 8x8: Yes, we can.
Siti Panigrahi, Analyst, Mizuho: All right. Great. So just wanted to follow-up on your growth for next year and year after, you talk about even driving to high single digit growth. How much of that mostly driven by the go to market changes you're planning to do versus customer like demand environment, like customer started spending? Because the reason I'm asking is we're hearing from some of your peers about growth deceleration mostly in the CCaaS and UCaaS space.
So I would love to hear your assumption on that growth reacceleration.
Samuel Wilson, Chief Executive Officer, 8x8: So I don't think it has anything to do with the market. We never really forecast the market is going to substantially change its growth rate. We generally forecast whatever the most recent third party analyst estimates are for the growth rate for the market. We really base it on the fact that we've got, as we said in the script, significant increase in the number of multiproduct customers. So over half of our subscription revenue is now with customers with two plus products, and we see a better retention rate with those.
So that will flow through the model. We're continuing to sell our new products. That flows through the model. We've continued to expand our distribution. That flows through the model.
And we're restructuring and improving our performance of our GTM spending. So that will flow through the model. So really, our growth rate, I would say, I use the term loosely inside the company, it's inside our four walls, not outside our four walls.
Siti Panigrahi, Analyst, Mizuho: Okay. And then, Kevin, I look at your guidance for cash flow, and I understand some of the investments you are doing. But if I see the margin contraction versus operating cash flow contraction seems to be a bit more. Could you walk us through like what's your jumps and how should we think about the cash flow part of the business for fiscal twenty six?
Samuel Wilson, Chief Executive Officer, 8x8: Yeah. So look, I gave
Kevin Krause, Chief Financial Officer, 8x8: a $10,000,000 range on that on that guide. We are making the investments we've that that we've been talking about here on the call. There's, you know, these are good investments in growth and so forth. And our focus also is on the, you know, the ability to keep our net income, you know, flat and stable with previous previous periods. So I
Samuel Wilson, Chief Executive Officer, 8x8: think it's just a function
Kevin Krause, Chief Financial Officer, 8x8: of the investment. Maybe, you know, a touch of you know, I'm not going out on a limb on the forecast for the for the cash flow guide, but, you know, we're comfortably generating a good amount of cash flow for next year. So it's, you know, kind of a measured approach to the guide on that.
Peter Levine, Analyst, Evercore: Okay. Great. Thank you.
Conference Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Catherine Trebnick of Rosenblatt Securities. Please go ahead, Catherine.
Catherine Trebnick, Analyst, Rosenblatt Securities: Yeah. Thanks for taking my question. Two two questions, Sam. On, You've really been focused on the products. So on the CCaaS piece of the business, why are you winning?
And then what specific piece of your product is driving those wins? Thanks. And then the follow on is, looks like from the deck, you did a really good job in The UK landing a lot of customers. Any you also have a lot of VARs and resellers in the APAC region. And what's the status of how CPAP is doing in that region?
Thank you.
Samuel Wilson, Chief Executive Officer, 8x8: Alright. Multi headed piece there, Catherine. So let me do why do we wait in contact? Would say, first and fourth, we give a complete solution. And if I summarized it in one sentence, it's you can get best in breed technology from a single vendor.
So with a combination of our contact center plus our technology partner ecosystem, we're bringing out a Gartner Magic Quadrant player in contact center and workflow. We've got add ons from companies like Cognigy and Verint and Calabrio and PCI Pal, etcetera. And we wrap it all in bundles that achieve customer outcomes. And for our core market of mid market enterprise and above, that is a really powerful message. They don't have a lot of developers.
They don't want to spend a fortune on a systems integration contract. They just want to go to a single vendor and buy it, You know, one throat to choke, but they're not willing to give up the fact they want great performance from their products. And we give them the best of both worlds. One throat to choke, one integrated platform, native fueling integrations, and, you know, a compelling commercial offer to put it all together and have us deliver it in beautiful professional services on top of it. Okay.
Yes, The UK did great last quarter. We've got some new sales leadership there that's doing fantastic. We've improved our execution there. And as always, I'm really proud of our UK operations. We've been in the market since 2013 and continue to do exceptionally well in that market.
It carries a higher retention rate and kind of higher conversion rates than we get in The U. S. And I just huge shout out and credit to the UK team. All right. I saved the best for last.
The CPaaS team killed it again last quarter. They continue to do fantastic. Communications APIs or platform APIs continue to be a high growth business for us relative to everything else. And we continue to invest in there and expand it. Big believer in CPaaS.
We continue to see it as a core part of our business. And as we like to say, we're not a UC company, we're not a CC company, we're not a CPaaS company. We're a business communications company because one of our strongest advantages overall in the marketplace is that we offer all those technologies under one roof fully integrated.
Catherine Trebnick, Analyst, Rosenblatt Securities: All right. Thanks.
Samuel Wilson, Chief Executive Officer, 8x8: Kathryn, can I do a cheat on you here? Can I expand the question slightly? Yes. We were the first contact center company to announce RCS integrated with the contact center. So we have two way RCS traffic currently being carried right now in real time.
And I'm super proud of that because I think it shows when someone invests in buying our products, they're investing in that journey and that vision of where we're going, and that's just a prime example. So thanks for giving me the freebie to call that out.
Catherine Trebnick, Analyst, Rosenblatt Securities: Sure. Hope you're well. Thanks.
Conference Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Michael Funk of Bank of America.
Michael Funk, Analyst, Bank of America: I I I want to go back to the comment about high single digit revenue growth by fiscal year two thousand twenty eight. I'm I'm trying to tie that back to this year. Right? So fees is less than 5% of revenue. That's baked into the revenue full revenue guide for the year in the sun setting by year end.
But then, you know, off of that, what takes you to the highest more digit revenue growth? Is it just I mean, is it increase in seat count at customers? Is it larger wallet share? Are are you assuming, you know, stable increasing pricing? Just trying to figure out what takes that customer spend or the revenue growth to the high single digits even once these rolls off by year end, assuming you I'm gonna give you that we transfer some of those over.
Samuel Wilson, Chief Executive Officer, 8x8: Alright. I'm gonna give you the strategic overview, and I will let Kevin give you any follow on details that that he sees fit. Alright. So as we roll this year, so fiscal twenty five that we just finished and fiscal twenty twenty six, we'll have the headwinds of Fuse. So and that actually rolls into fiscal twenty twenty seven.
So it's less of a headwind, but as we roll off the last customers, etcetera, right? So core business, we're growing 4.6%. Is that what I said? 4.8%, I forgot 4.6 I forgot the number. 4.6% core business, that starts to shine through.
And so we and that's been accelerating as new products and those things take hold and lift that business up. So once we get FUSE out of the way, that will add and the new product continue to mature, that continues to grow. You asked me a question about wallet share, etcetera. As we roll out more and more new products, and I think we're going to reach a crossover point here shortly. Well, we've already reached a crossover point where two plus product customers are over half our subscription revenue.
We're going to reach a crossover point probably sometime in the next three or four quarters where three plus product customers surpass one product customers. And we do see a substantially higher renewal rate and retention rate when we do that. And so those things start to lift. And as you know, in these SaaS business models, Michael, it takes a little while to get that to shine all the way through. So we get fused out of the way.
We get the core business continuing to show a higher sustained retention rate. We continue to land new business and grow our new business is greater than our churn. And so that will continue to make the pool grow bigger. And eventually, the math sort of works out to high single digits.
Kevin Krause, Chief Financial Officer, 8x8: And that one thing I would add on top of what Sam said is, we also have this rapidly growing usage based business on top of all that recurring revenue. So it can inflect very quickly than it has, and so that contributes to the growth rates we expect in the future.
Michael Funk, Analyst, Bank of America: No. Thank thank you both. One more quickly quickly if I could. So, Sam, you made a lot of progress on on the balance sheet on the expense structure, including stock based comp. I know you mentioned go to market among other things.
But, you know, where has your focus shifted now that you've made it through those first priorities on your list? What's top of your list week to week?
Samuel Wilson, Chief Executive Officer, 8x8: Get back to growth, right? So we're aggressive. We've accelerated. I talked about it two quarters ago. We accelerated the shutdown of Fuse.
We're on track to do that by end of the year. That helps those numbers shine through, right? Because there's this prevailing belief that somehow we're going out of business or something, I don't know, that the long term discounted cash flow value of the company is zero or however you want think about it. And I think I need to get that to shine through. So I've been accelerating that, been investing for growth.
We're investing in CPaaS and those kinds of things. And then eventually, as we get into fiscal twenty twenty seven and 2028, we'll start to invest a little bit more around distribution and improving those things.
Michael Funk, Analyst, Bank of America: Great. Thank you, Sam. Thank you, Kevin.
Conference Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Mehta Marshall of Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead, Mehta.
Jamie, Analyst, Morgan Stanley: Hey, everyone. This is Jamie on for Mehta. I appreciate you taking the question. I think maybe just firstly, it looks like you guys are still seeing some pretty strong growth in the new product side, but that maybe slowed a little bit from like the 60% or so clip that you'd seen in Q3. So just any specific call outs there?
Samuel Wilson, Chief Executive Officer, 8x8: Yes. We did see a little bit of a slowdown in the new product growth. It didn't accelerate. I think that was a function of the macroeconomic environment, the compares, the numbers getting bigger, all those sort of things cobbled together.
Jamie, Analyst, Morgan Stanley: Got it. And then just similarly as a follow-up, maybe just unpacking the sequential step down in RPO. Is that more macro related or something that would be attributable to the acceleration in the FUSE transition?
Samuel Wilson, Chief Executive Officer, 8x8: Yes. It's just Fuse transition mainly. As we accelerate that, we're rolling off some of those things.
Jamie, Analyst, Morgan Stanley: Great. Thanks so much. I'll jump back in queue.
Samuel Wilson, Chief Executive Officer, 8x8: Thank you.
Conference Operator: Thank you. I would now like to turn the conference back over to Sam Wilson for closing remarks. Okay.
Samuel Wilson, Chief Executive Officer, 8x8: You so much, everyone. We'll follow-up with anybody. Kate Patterson and Asia are available from Investor Relations to follow-up in any form or fashion. Thank you so much to our customers, our partners, our employees and everyone for joining us on this call today,
Kevin Krause, Chief Financial Officer, 8x8: and have a great day.
Conference Operator: This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.
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